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Traveller-digest     Tuesday, December 28 1999     Volume 1999 : Number 1593<BR>
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(R)1996. Traveller is a registered trademark of FarFuture Enterprises.<BR>
All rights reserved.<BR>
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The following topics are covered in this digest:<BR>
<BR>
Re: Re Purina * Chow<BR>
Re: Terran polities<BR>
RE: Purina, etc.<BR>
RE: Purina etc.<BR>
Keyboard Kills: 20 Oct 99 - 23 Dec 99 (With Quotes!)<BR>
Re: Ethnic confusion<BR>
Re: Purina etc.<BR>
The Pakari...<BR>
re: Vilani Elvis<BR>
Re: Pictures, Yes!<BR>
re: in jokes<BR>
random acts of sitcom<BR>
Re: random acts of sitcom<BR>
Re: random acts of sitcom<BR>
Re: Kids will eat anything... OT sorta<BR>
Re: Drawing Program - longish<BR>
Re: Vilani Language (Was Re: Vilani Elvis)<BR>
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 18:24:34 -0000<BR>
From: "Nick Bradbeer" <nickb@ndirect.co.uk><BR>
Subject: Re: Re Purina * Chow<BR>
<BR>
>Kibble is a staple of street-level cyberpunk. (Pun intentional) But just<BR>
>watch the reactions when you explain to a CP2020 player exactly what Kibble<BR>
>means...<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Uhh.....hit me.<BR>
<BR>
Nick<BR>
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 10:47:22 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Glenn Goffin <gmgoffin@yahoo.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Terran polities<BR>
<BR>
>From: "Jason T. Barnabas" <cybernaut@netzero.net><BR>
<BR>
>Actually, there are two sets of laws in the uSA.  The<BR>
>oldest is called Common Law and is decended from<BR>
>English Common Law.  The second is Equity Law and is<BR>
>also derived from English Equity Law, which was<BR>
>decended from Roman Law.  A citizen is actually not<BR>
>bound by Equity Law unless s/he decides to be<BR>
sobound.<BR>
<BR>
That's not quite right.  In general, anyone (citizen<BR>
or not) within the territorial jurisdiction of the<BR>
United States or of any State is bound by law, whether<BR>
characterized as legal or equitable.  There are of<BR>
course some exceptions (that's what lawyers are for),<BR>
such as, for examples, parties to a contract agreeing<BR>
to be bound by the law of some other place (which may<BR>
or may not be enforceable for various reasons that<BR>
took most of a semester in law school and so I won't<BR>
go into here), or immunity for diplomats.  <BR>
<BR>
A perhaps more useful analysis is to look at law in<BR>
the United States as divided into common law and<BR>
statutory law.  Common law is law made by judges based<BR>
on what other judges have done in the past in similar<BR>
factual situations.  The common law tradition was<BR>
carried over directly from England. <BR>
<BR>
Statutory law consists of legislative enactments.  It<BR>
comes from the legislative branch of government with<BR>
the approval of the executive branch.  Executive<BR>
regulations, which are promulgated pursuant to<BR>
legislative direction, are part of this branch of the<BR>
law.<BR>
<BR>
The creation of a legislative branch is new relative<BR>
to the judicial and executive branches, but was well<BR>
established in England by the time of its colonisation<BR>
of the New World and other places.  <BR>
<BR>
The judicial branch may interpret statutes and thus<BR>
create a quasi common law, which has become very<BR>
important.<BR>
<BR>
>ObTrav: Perhaps there is a similar dicotamy in<BR>
>Imperial Law.<BR>
<BR>
I don't think so.  The background for Imperial law<BR>
will be Terran military and Vilani legal traditions. <BR>
Neither will give rise to a legal/equitable<BR>
distinction.<BR>
<BR>
- --Glenn<BR>
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 12:44:11 -0600<BR>
From: "Moody, Danny M." <DMoody@bridge.com><BR>
Subject: RE: Purina, etc.<BR>
<BR>
> -----Original Message-----<BR>
> From: Kiri Aradia Morgan [mailto:tiamat@tsoft.com]<BR>
> > Terran Chow with Cheese<BR>
> > <BR>
> I remember that!  But I don't remember that you could get it <BR>
> with cheese.<BR>
<BR>
Yep - I believe that its right next to the Marine ad- 'The Few, The Proud,<BR>
The Unusual.'<BR>
I can't remember where 'We're looking for a few good sentient beings'<BR>
appears.<BR>
<BR>
> <BR>
> > Purina Monkey Chow is readily edible by humans.<BR>
> > <BR>
> Yeah, but would anyone ever willingly eat it TWICE?<BR>
<BR>
It isn't too bad.  It tastes a bit like very, very dry granola.  Mind you,<BR>
one wouldn't *want* to attempt to survive on it, but with a supply of clean<BR>
water, I believe one could.<BR>
<BR>
"Get yer stinkin' paws off my dinner you damn, dirty human!"<BR>
<BR>
vargr1                                                   UPP-8D9B85<BR>
- ---------------------------- Omnia dicta fortiora, si dicta latina.<BR>
Meyers-Briggs personality type: ENTJ                vargr1@jcn1*com<BR>
"...the ENTJ is not one to be trifled with."      dmoody@bridge*com<BR>
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 12:49:44 -0600<BR>
From: "Moody, Danny M." <DMoody@bridge.com><BR>
Subject: RE: Purina etc.<BR>
<BR>
> From: Matthew Bond [mailto:mgb@akira.swinternet.co.uk]<BR>
> <BR>
> Well, from what I understand, and I may well be wrong, aren't MRE's in<BR>
> theory nutritionally balanced and edible direct from the <BR>
> container without<BR>
> cooking.  So the US Army already has Human Chow... (probably <BR>
> sub-contacts to<BR>
> Purina... <g>)<BR>
<BR>
The US govt has used MREs as humanitarian supplies to various parts of the<BR>
world - with various amounts of success.<BR>
<BR>
In order for it to be Purina * Chow, it has to be mostly homogenous,<BR>
preferably come in large bags in bulk, able to be stored for a long time,<BR>
and have the taste and consistency of gravel.<BR>
<BR>
MREs, despite rumors to the contrary, actually do have differentiated<BR>
ingredients.  Kinda.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
vargr1                                                   UPP-8D9B85<BR>
- ---------------------------- Omnia dicta fortiora, si dicta latina.<BR>
Meyers-Briggs personality type: ENTJ                vargr1@jcn1*com<BR>
"...the ENTJ is not one to be trifled with."      dmoody@bridge*com<BR>
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 13:26:01 -0600<BR>
From: Black ICE <wombat@premier.net><BR>
Subject: Keyboard Kills: 20 Oct 99 - 23 Dec 99 (With Quotes!)<BR>
<BR>
Black ICE wrote:<BR>
<BR>
In response to (at least one) request, here is the list of keyboard<BR>
causalties, _with the lethal phrase_:<BR>
<BR>
<<dead space to allow readers to finish their drinks/food>><BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
<BR>
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> <BR>
> Date            Victim                  Killer<BR>
> <BR>
> 21 Oct 99       Jesse DeGraff           Chris Seamans<BR>
"Well, fine then, Kentucky Fried Dino!" [reference to dinosaurs tasting<BR>
"just like chicken"]<BR>
<BR>
> 02 Nov 99       Bruce Johnson           Dom Mooney<BR>
"You're handwaving again...." [discussing "dual processor arm-based<BR>
computers (with display limited to ten digits)]<BR>
<BR>
> 04 Nov 99       Pete                    Joseph R. Dietrich<BR>
'Well, it's spelled "Smith" but it's pronounced<BR>
"Throat-wobbler-mangrove."'<BR>
<BR>
> 07 Nov 99       Robert Prior            Kenji Schwarz<BR>
"No, that's impossible because of the free market economy and<BR>
concommitant environment of free speech in the 3I, so that ideology<BR>
literally CAN'T tamper with the truth."<BR>
<BR>
> 08 Nov 99       David Smart             Kiri Aradia Morgan<BR>
"The truth about this bastich's incredible self-aggrandizement could<BR>
hardly have been revealed without the help of this toaster here!  Now<BR>
gimme my damn waffle back!!!"<BR>
<BR>
> 02 Dec 99       Jeff Zeitlin            Swordy (Colin Michael)<BR>
"The world is indeed shown in Digest 12 as being in 2116, but the Atlas<BR>
does not show it either.  We do indeed appear to have lost a world!  It<BR>
must have been Roger S____r what took it..."<BR>
<BR>
> 03 Dec 99       Mark Cook               Doug Berry<BR>
"That he [John from Farscape] really, *really* likes Rigel...  <g,d,r>"<BR>
<BR>
> 03 Dec 99       Robert Prior            Kenji Schwarz<BR>
"Yes [all races find human females attractive], but not in OTU!  It's<BR>
clean family fun!"<BR>
<BR>
> 12 Dec 99       Dom Mooney              Swordy (Colin Michael)<BR>
"I'll start the bidding [for original Elmore B&W art] off at 12.50 ;-)"<BR>
<BR>
> 13 Dec 99       Chris Seamans           Kenji Schwarz<BR>
"Big Gay Al is OBVIOUSLY Grandfather!  Remember his pocket universe in<BR>
the suitcase?"<BR>
<BR>
> 15 Dec 99       Dan Roseberry           Doug Berry<BR>
"40 seconds [the average lifespan of a machine-gunner in combat] is also<BR>
about the time needed to blow through a single 100-round belt. <BR>
Coincidence?  I think not!"<BR>
<BR>
> 16 Dec 99       Doug Berry              John "Black ICE" Groth<BR>
"Now is the time of the Gathering, when the stroke of a key will unleash<BR>
a spray of Pepsi on the keyboard.  In the end, there can be only<BR>
one...."<BR>
<BR>
> 16 Dec 99       Kenji Schwarz           Doug Berry<BR>
"My God, it's full of penguins..."<BR>
<BR>
> 16 Dec 99       Kiri Aradia Morgan      Kenji Schwarz<BR>
"[Send the '55 gallon drum of lube and the pump'] To the graduate<BR>
student cafeteria, please.  The stuff they use for salad dressing now is<BR>
lousy."<BR>
<BR>
> 17 Dec 99       Wayne Ewart             i Steve<BR>
"It's a bloody wonder the PCs in my campaign are still breathing, does<BR>
that count [as a Wonder of Charted Space]?"<BR>
<BR>
> 18 Dec 99       Seth Kimmel             Doug Berry<BR>
'Forget about even asking.  I am *not* writing "101 Freshers"'<BR>
<BR>
> 18 Dec 99       Danny Moody             Doug Berry (1 post, 2 kills!)<BR>
See previous post<BR>
<BR>
> 18 Dec 99       Bruce Johnson           Chris Seamans<BR>
"So what you're saying is that it was really the Arc of the Covenant?"<BR>
<BR>
> 18 Dec 99       i Steve                 Michel Vaillancourt<BR>
"Go ohm with the puns already...."<BR>
<BR>
> 21 Dec 99       Dave Shayne             Kenji Schwarz<BR>
"I am silent.  Silent as a mouse.  My lips are sealed.  I will say<BR>
nothing lewd.  I think nothing lewd.  My mind is a pure crystal of<BR>
cleanliness and rectitude."<BR>
<BR>
> 21 Dec 99       Glenn "cos 90"          Glenn Goffin<BR>
"Asked later to describe the new territory, they [the Spaniards] said,<BR>
"que nada", which eventually became pronounced Canada."<BR>
<BR>
> 22 Dec 99       Evyn MacDude            Nick Bradbeer<BR>
"<Giles> I've always found it odd that a nation which prides itself on<BR>
its virility feels it has to strap on forty pounds of body armour just<BR>
to play Rugby....</Giles>"<BR>
<BR>
> 22 Dec 99       Jory Earl               Charles Collin<BR>
"You've never heard Shakespeare til you've heard it in the original<BR>
Canadian, eh?"... <BR>
<BR>
> 23 Dec 99       David J. Golden         Bruce Johnson<BR>
[for posting the keyboard kill symbol URL]<BR>
<BR>
> 23 Dec 99       Doug Berry *            John "Black ICE" Groth<BR>
"Either that, or it should be "Vargr 'can-can' kick." La Folies<BR>
Vargiere, anyone?"<BR>
<BR>
> 23 Dec 99       David J. Golden         Bruce Macintosh<BR>
"The ship shuddered under the impact of Vargr missiles.  Commander<BR>
Thompson snarled as his hand slipped on the mouse. Only years of<BR>
training allowed him to focus enough to push his index finger forward. <BR>
'Must...push... left...button...' he thought. All around him, panicked<BR>
trainee crewmembers were desperately pulling down the 'help' menus."<BR>
<BR>
<<snip>><BR>
> <BR>
> * Doug Berry awarded me an "honorary" kill, for my "Folies Vargiere"<BR>
> comment.<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
AuricTech Shipyards Journeyman Gearhead<BR>
"Gold-Plated [tm] solutions for copper-plated problems!" (r)<BR>
Keeper of the TML Keyboard Casualty List<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 11:22:08 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Glenn Goffin <gmgoffin@yahoo.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Ethnic confusion<BR>
<BR>
>From: Kiri Aradia Morgan <tiamat@tsoft.com><BR>
<BR>
>By the era of the Far Future I bet someone's tried<BR>
>it.  And that the results may be a minor race on some<BR>
<BR>
>planet somewhere.<BR>
><BR>
>I think this hasn't been tried because of the fear of<BR>
public opinion.  Remember how all those conservative <BR>
>Christians got bent out of shape about IVF in the <BR>
>very beginning, back when the LBB's were new?  And <BR>
[deletion]<BR>
>would be subject to serious questionig.  People would<BR>
<BR>
>think they were trying to breed slaves/supersoldiers <BR>
>even if they weren't.<BR>
<BR>
I guess the Planet of the Apes marathon on Christmas<BR>
Day on one of the cable channels wasn't so<BR>
inappropriate after all.<BR>
<BR>
- --Glenn<BR>
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 11:24:56 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Glenn Goffin <gmgoffin@yahoo.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Purina etc.<BR>
<BR>
>From: j_pete@bellsouth.net (Pete)<BR>
<BR>
>People Chow is PEOPLE!!!!<BR>
<BR>
the end of the animated television special will show a<BR>
dog trying to tell everyone, "puppy chow is puppies!"<BR>
<BR>
- --Glenn<BR>
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 13:48:09 -0600 (CST)<BR>
From: "Jason Kemp" <Jason.Kemp@tdh.state.tx.us><BR>
Subject: The Pakari...<BR>
<BR>
Greetings, All,<BR>
<BR>
I've been thinking (a dangerous pastime, I know,) about developing a <BR>
sector for a new campaign I someday hope to run. One of my initial <BR>
considerations has been toward the races that populate the sector in <BR>
question, and designing a new and interesting race with which to <BR>
challenge the players. Enter the Pakari, a minor race that has <BR>
relatively recently obtained jump technology from a neighboring major <BR>
race, and has since started on a wave of conquest and absorption.<BR>
<BR>
My first concept of the Pakari was that the Pakari are master<BR>
bio-engineers and possess biological versions of common technologies,<BR>
similar to the Pentapods of 2300AD or the sauroids of Harry H<BR>
Harrison's West of Eden series. In essence, all of the items we would<BR>
construct through fabrication and manufacturing, they grow and<BR>
develop through manipulating biological lifeforms to accomplish the <BR>
same function. Certain elements, like perhaps fusion reactors, <BR>
anti-grav modules, and jump drives, may have to come from alternate <BR>
sources, but biological entities represent the remainder of their <BR>
technologies. Computers are actually creatures with large, efficient <BR>
brains, whose sole purpose is to store and process raw data. <BR>
Firearms are replaced by small creatures with gas chambers that <BR>
project bone shards at extreme velocities, or with nervous tissue <BR>
along a bony barrel which produces intense magnetic fields, <BR>
projecting a metallic bone fragment at high velocity, using gauss <BR>
rifle concepts. Space exploration began through the <BR>
controlled explosive release of digestive by-products, and the <BR>
Pakari have since developed lifeforms to protect them from the <BR>
reaches of deep space, i.e. living spaceships, etc. And so on.<BR>
<BR>
Having conquered their world and their system, the Pakari possess<BR>
some form of manifest destiny, and believe that they are destined to<BR>
integrate all life under their benevolent control. Upon their first<BR>
encounters with other life, the Pakari began a racial movement<BR>
toward the integration of these other life forms. Now, they slowly<BR>
spread throughout their subsector, absorbing other worlds in a<BR>
manner not unlike the Borg of the Star Trek universe. They have<BR>
symbiotic creatures designed to override, control and augment<BR>
captured target species, creating a biological monstrosity under the<BR>
command of the Pakari race. Of course, the Pakari think that they<BR>
are the good guys, the shepherds and shapers of the universe, the<BR>
rightful heirs to the biological birthright granted by the stars. <BR>
<BR>
I personally think that the concept of these biologically oriented<BR>
Borg-types should be sufficient to create an uneasy feel in the<BR>
players when they are first encountered. They would be appropriately<BR>
alien, both in appearance and psychology, and should make for a very <BR>
interesting enemy encountered occasionally by the PCs in their <BR>
travels about the sector.<BR>
<BR>
For concepts regarding their ships, consider the ST:TNG episode "Tin <BR>
Man," or the Pentapod vessels of 2300AD. For a grasp of some of their <BR>
other technology, Harry H Harrison's "West of Eden" series contains <BR>
a lot of examples, with living sailing vessels, guns that must be fed <BR>
to stay alive and keep firing, and so on. For the conquest of other <BR>
races, consider mixing aspects of the Bugs from "Starship Troopers" <BR>
with Heinlein's "The Puppetmasters" and of course the Borg from the <BR>
ST universe.<BR>
<BR>
What I'm looking for now are some of your thoughts on this concept,<BR>
before I jump in and do a complete Contact-style write-up on the<BR>
Pakari. Here are some basic questions I wanted to ask.<BR>
<BR>
First, and perhaps most important, do you think players would be <BR>
intrigued by the race?<BR>
<BR>
What are the major problems with the use of bio-engineered tech, and<BR>
how would you recommend overcoming them?<BR>
<BR>
To what level of energy production (fission, fusion, etc.) do you <BR>
think a biological equivalent could be created? What TL would that <BR>
approximate for vehicle design purposes?<BR>
<BR>
Could the effects of anti-grav be duplicated biologically, in your <BR>
opinion? (Determines whether the Pakari will need a servitor race to <BR>
build a/g modules to integrate into their living vessels.)<BR>
<BR>
Could the effects of thruster or HEPLAR technology be duplicated <BR>
biologically? (See above comment.)<BR>
<BR>
Could the effects of jump drives be duplicated biologically? (See <BR>
above comment.)<BR>
<BR>
Any other thoughts, considerations or recommendations?<BR>
<BR>
Thank you in advance for your time and input. I know that, for better <BR>
or worse, this list will give me their honest opinion on the concept <BR>
of the Pakari, and I look forward to any helpful suggestions anyone <BR>
may have to offer. Thank you.<BR>
<BR>
All this for only 0.02Cr,<BR>
Jason<BR>
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 14:55:05 -0500 (EST)<BR>
From: Kenji Schwarz <schwarz@fas.harvard.edu><BR>
Subject: re: Vilani Elvis<BR>
<BR>
On Tue, 28 Dec 1999, Glenn Goffin wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> >What really got me interested, though, is that he's <BR>
> >planning an album of SUMERIAN Elvis songs.<BR>
> <BR>
> This is pretty bizarre.  Do we have a good idea of<BR>
> what Sumerian sounded like?  Was Sumerian tonal, like<BR>
> Vilani?  <BR>
<BR>
No one knows.  No one knows how many vowels it had, or how many<BR>
consonants, or what some of them were, either.  Our knowledge of Sumerian<BR>
phonology is entirely dependent on Akkadian transcriptions of Sumerian<BR>
words, through the Akkadian phonology (which is still iffy in a few places<BR>
itself, for modern scholarship).  All that can be said for sure is that<BR>
Sumerian probably didn't sound much like Akkadian or other Semitic<BR>
languages at all, and certainly nothing like we pronounce it today. <BR>
<BR>
If we wanted to be pedantic, we should have said that _Akkadian_ (or some<BR>
sort of proto-Semitic language) was a descendant of Vilani (stranded<BR>
management consultants, etc.), not Sumerian.  If there was anything like a<BR>
tidy development into Sumerian, then "Vilani" would probably have included<BR>
the vowel /o/, velar nasal /N/ (very possibly labialized, /Nw/),<BR>
labiovelar stops /kw, gw/, grooved affricate or retroflex /dr/, and a<BR>
fortis:lenis distinction in the stops, not a voiced:voiceless one.<BR>
<BR>
The fact that this is _not_ the case I take as confirmation that the<BR>
Templars have been tampering with our data for far longer than originally<BR>
suspected.<BR>
<BR>
Kenji<BR>
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 11:59:39<BR>
From: "Douglas E. Berry" <gridlore@pop.mindspring.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Pictures, Yes!<BR>
<BR>
At 11:25 AM 12/27/1999 -0500, you wrote:<BR>
>Doug Berry puts forth into the ether:<BR>
> >We actually went out and found Norton's grave last week.. want the ><BR>
>pictures?<BR>
><BR>
>Yes.<BR>
<BR>
Once we finish this roll (probably on NYE), I'll post the pics to my<BR>
website.<BR>
- -- <BR>
<BR>
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 15:03:12 -0500<BR>
From: "Walter G. Smith" <smithw@hartwick.edu><BR>
Subject: re: in jokes<BR>
<BR>
Leonard Erikson wrote:<BR>
>>>>>>>><BR>
> Strange misunderstood fellow, our Norton...<BR>
<BR>
I get the distinct impression that if the "right" sort of circumstances<BR>
had come along, they might have actually "made" him Emperor. <BR>
<BR>
Say, the North loses the Civil War and suddenly being a US territory<BR>
doesn't look so good. I could see some political types making Norton I<BR>
a figurehead under which they can unite the West Coast, and maybe even<BR>
other territory.<BR>
>>>>>>>>><BR>
The _Castle Falkenstein_ game setting from R. Talsorian games has<BR>
this exact thing happening. Mark Twain is a representative of the<BR>
Great Bear Empire on the west coast of North America, and Norton <BR>
is Emperor.<BR>
<BR>
As for Traveller players hearing of an Emperor Norton the First, and<BR>
"finding" source materials: it's entirely possible that the source materials<BR>
they find are actually portions of RPG sourcebooks or other fictional<BR>
materials that have, due to the age of the materials, been misinterpreted<BR>
as fact. Thus the players will *think* they aren't in Kansas anymore, <BR>
while they're actually sitting right on Auntie Em's doorstep.<BR>
<BR>
Walt Smith<BR>
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 15:25:16 -0500<BR>
From: Rob Brady <robb@datatone.com><BR>
Subject: random acts of sitcom<BR>
<BR>
At 05:21 PM 12/24/99 -0500, David J. Golden wrote:<BR>
>At 03:58 pm 12/24/99 -0600, you wrote:<BR>
> >On 12/24/99 at 01:12 PM,  shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)<BR>
>said:<BR>
> ><BR>
> >>Well, I can feel a *little* sympathy for him. Fords in streams aren't the<BR>
> >>sort of thing folks who aren't into historical novels or fantasy would<BR>
> >>know about.<BR>
<BR>
I knew what a ford was, but if you asked me what the Ford in stream was<BR>
I might answer differently. And listen, I've hiked lots, read lots of<BR>
fantasy (looked at maps a dallas) and I still don't know what a knoll is.<BR>
<BR>
> >branch is still an important skill.  But, heck, I bet most of youhave<BR>
> >never seen a small stream called a branch!  <g><BR>
><BR>
>         Crick, maybe ... but no, not a branch. That's what whaps you in the<BR>
>face if you're not careful following somebody.<BR>
<BR>
I used to think I was fording streams when I was hiking but it turns out<BR>
that I am just too close to the ocean to do that. There are some brooks<BR>
in the area, but I was greatly surprised to discover that the stream I <BR>
regularly crossed was the Hackensack River.<BR>
<BR>
>-- As Dick Cavett put it so eloquently many years ago, "If violence<BR>
>in TV and movies causes violence in the world, how come we don't see<BR>
>random acts of situation comedy breaking out on the streets?"<BR>
<BR>
There are random acts of sitcom in my household every night. "Those socks<BR>
have holes in them!" "No one will see the holes because they will be under<BR>
my shoes!"<BR>
A few episodes later I receive 3 dozen socks from my wife. "Oh, thank you<BR>
so much honey, just what I needed!" We then go over my parents house. They<BR>
have given my 4 dozen socks. (This was the Christmas episode. The one guy<BR>
who can't stand to eat sweets any more (takes me two weeks to get through<BR>
a chocolate bar) gets all this candy that I can leave around the house for<BR>
everyone else (I think especially my wife)).<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
- --<BR>
Should've been dead on a Sunday morning / banging my head<BR>
No time for mourning / ain't got no time  -- Creed<BR>
Rob Brady			  robb at datatone dot com<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 15:37:13 -0500<BR>
From: "Chris Seamans" <semo@pil.net><BR>
Subject: Re: random acts of sitcom<BR>
<BR>
From: Rob Brady <robb@datatone.com><BR>
<BR>
<BR>
> I knew what a ford was, but if you asked me what the Ford in stream<BR>
>was I might answer differently. And listen, I've hiked lots, read lots of<BR>
> fantasy (looked at maps a dallas) and I still don't know what a knoll<BR>
>is.<BR>
<BR>
A big hyena-looking critter that walks on two legs. Be glad you've never run<BR>
into one while hiking.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Oh, wait... that's a gnoll. Sorry.<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 12:57:57 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Kiri Aradia Morgan <tiamat@tsoft.com><BR>
Subject: Re: random acts of sitcom<BR>
<BR>
On Tue, 28 Dec 1999, Chris Seamans wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> From: Rob Brady <robb@datatone.com><BR>
> <BR>
> > I knew what a ford was, but if you asked me what the Ford in stream<BR>
> > was I might answer differently.<BR>
<BR>
Growing up in West Virginia it was not at all unusual to see a Ford in a<BR>
stream.  We used to say it was an acronym:  Fix Or Repair Daily.<BR>
<BR>
> > And listen, I've hiked lots, read lots of<BR>
> > fantasy (looked at maps a dallas) and I still don't know what a knoll<BR>
> > is.<BR>
> <BR>
> A big hyena-looking critter that walks on two legs. Be glad you've never run<BR>
> into one while hiking.<BR>
> <BR>
Worst and most vicious of all are the big hyena-like critters with plant<BR>
like protusions growing out of their shoulder blades and cranium...<BR>
<BR>
yes...<BR>
<BR>
the justfiably dreaded Grassy Gnoll...<BR>
<BR>
Kiri  =)<BR>
<BR>
******************************************************************************<BR>
Kiri Aradia Morgan                                  93!  Thou Art God<BR>
tiamat@tsoft.com<BR>
<BR>
"If time passes, everything turns into beauty<BR>
If the rains stop, tears clean the scars of memory away<BR>
Everything starts wearing fresh colors<BR>
Every sound begins playing a heartfelt melody<BR>
Jealousy embellishes a page of the epic<BR>
Desire is embraced in a dream..."              -- X-JAPAN<BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 16:06:14 -0500<BR>
From: "Jory Earl" <j-man@iname.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Kids will eat anything... OT sorta<BR>
<BR>
Speak for yourself, Kiri-san.  :)  I ate dry dogfood as a kid whenever there<BR>
wasn't any people food, or I went hungry.<BR>
___________________________________________________________<BR>
 J-Man<BR>
 ICQ# 2843475<BR>
 New Hampshire - U.S.A.<BR>
 Email : j-man@iname.com<BR>
 Home Page : http://www.geocities.com/~jman037/<BR>
___________________________________________________________<BR>
<BR>
- ----- Original Message -----<BR>
From: "Kiri Aradia Morgan" <tiamat@tsoft.com><BR>
> Part of the thrill when you are little is that you know that the adults do<BR>
> not want you to do this.  You are getting away with something.  It's not<BR>
> actually that the stuff tastes wonderful or anything.  Probably you would<BR>
> eat it only once out of curiosity, but when you saw how people reacted,<BR>
> you just had to do it again.   At least that is how I felt when I was in<BR>
> second grade...<BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 16:09:42 -0500<BR>
From: "Jory Earl" <j-man@iname.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Drawing Program - longish<BR>
<BR>
I assume you mean upgrade my 4.0 to a later version?<BR>
___________________________________________________________<BR>
 J-Man<BR>
 ICQ# 2843475<BR>
 New Hampshire - U.S.A.<BR>
 Email : j-man@iname.com<BR>
 Home Page : http://www.geocities.com/~jman037/<BR>
___________________________________________________________<BR>
<BR>
- ----- Original Message ----- <BR>
From: "Bruce Johnson" <johnson@Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU><BR>
To: <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com><BR>
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 1999 11:52 AM<BR>
Subject: Re: Drawing Program - longish<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
> And Visual Basic will make as _seamless_ a Win program as Vis C++ will.<BR>
> You'll just have to upgrade it.<BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 16:11:06 -0500<BR>
From: "Jory Earl" <j-man@iname.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Vilani Language (Was Re: Vilani Elvis)<BR>
<BR>
It was an accident with a contraceptive and a time machine?<BR>
___________________________________________________________<BR>
 J-Man<BR>
 ICQ# 2843475<BR>
 New Hampshire - U.S.A.<BR>
 Email : j-man@iname.com<BR>
 Home Page : http://www.geocities.com/~jman037/<BR>
___________________________________________________________<BR>
<BR>
- ----- Original Message -----<BR>
From: "Josh W. Spencer" <macmanjws@earthlink.net><BR>
To: <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com><BR>
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 1999 5:06 AM<BR>
Subject: Vilani Language (Was Re: Vilani Elvis)<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
> On 12/27/1999 23:57, Chris Seamans wrote:<BR>
><BR>
> > There's apparently this Finnish Elvis fan and language expert who has<BR>
put<BR>
> > out at least one album of Elvis songs sung in Latin. What really got me<BR>
> > interested, though, is that he's planning an album of SUMERIAN Elvis<BR>
songs.<BR>
> > Since the Sumerian language is the basis for Vilani... well, I'm sure<BR>
all of<BR>
> > you can figure out why I brought it up.<BR>
> ><BR>
> > Are there any Finnish folks on the list?<BR>
><BR>
> OK I admit it. NOW I'm lost! How did Sumerian become the basis for the<BR>
> Vilani language when the culture didn't exist 300,000 years ago?<BR>
><BR>
> --<BR>
> Josh W. Spencer (macmanjws@earthlink.net)<BR>
> Ypsilanti, Michigan, USA<BR>
><BR>
<BR>
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